June 14, 2007

June 14, 2007
Thurs June 14.
Filed under: Uncategorized — jtuffy @ 7:47 am
I have to admit, the blog got a little crazy last night. Spence must’ve poped a viagra and had to wait a while to take the flag down. LOL too funny!

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The impersonation thing has got to go. That should be an unsaid rule. Too many consequences.

Other than that, an interesting point was made through the impersonation. Whoever did it was either trying to make some sort of commentary on the rest of us (i.e. spencer’s idea of sarcasm being an efficient way of influencing change) or just making fun of the rest of us. It would be interesting for the person that did it to explain.

I have a hard time understanding your love for sarcasm, suspence. If it were such an efficient way of communication, why don’t more respected and successful people use it? For example, a CEO of a major company; why doesn’t he use it in his board meetings to instruct the entire company?

I think seth made an interesting point. The manner that you deliver the truth is very important. If a teenage Grace came to you for some serious advice and you completely criticized her (although truthfully) and made fun of her, do you think she would respect you and come back to you for more advice?

As friends, I believe it is important to tell each other the truth but everyone of us deserves respect. The truth is necessary but the way the truth is delivered shapes the person’s reaction. Maybe you receive amazing results from your sarcasm, spencer. If that’s the case, i would love to hear some success stories of your sarcasm helping someone become better. I may be wrong. Maybe you can help me. It would be great for you to flesh out your use of sarcasm in your managing/parenting/husbandry roles. Maybe it is an utapped tool and you could write a book on it and make millions.

Tuffy, if you truly think i am a school girl for not speaking the truth “harsh”ly, then i must reevaluate your understanding of my character. Or maybe you could explain your thoughts on the subject so i understand what you mean a little better. maybe there is something there that i do need to examine and change. i speak the truth, i just try to not hurt other people while i do it. Then again, i have no way of knowing if that was really you that said that last night. So everythiing i said may be moot.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 9:49 am

LOL, no that wasn’t me Scam, but i did find the impersonations comical.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 9:54 am

Dude,

you seriously had me worried. “school girl” is pretty much your favorite insult so i was really confused.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 10:01 am

For the computer astute, it is pretty easy to find out who made the comments!

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 10:04 am

Either way, it was funny! Hey, how bout Romney, he’s in the lead now. Sweet Nibblets.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 10:05 am

true. i didn’t even think to check the admin stuff.

it’s the signs of the times, man. a mormon president is the last piece of the puzzle.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 10:15 am

So spencer was pretty busy last night. He probably won’t get on the blog today.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 10:18 am

Hey, where was the article on Romney?

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 10:31 am

I just saw it on CNN the other day, he is the republican leader according to their data.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 10:33 am

First, Tom has done so much for me over the past couple of years. With everything that has gone on in my life he has always been there to support me and encourage me. He has done so much more for me than you guys have, and you guys can’t treat him with respect?

Second, I can see how all the false posts could be funny. But, with all the crap that has gone on lately… I can’t handle the negativity. I personaly want to cut as much negativity and hostility out of my life as I can. I don’t want to attract those things to myself, or to my “friends, by even being a part of them.

I know this might make me a “school girl”… but with everything that has gone on lately in my life, I have seen the devastating effects of pesamism and negativity. I used to kid and joke with my friend thinking it was just funny… I wasn’t trying to tear him down, just poking a little fun. But, I can’t help wonder how my “fun” affected his self asteem. What could have happened if I had spent more time trying to build him up instead of assuming that my concern for him was implied? With support and compassion, instead of constant sarcasm, he may have choosen to seek repentance for the sins that led to what has happened, thus preventing so much hurt and suffering. I’m not blaming myself… but through this I see how I could have been a better friend. I see the importance of avoiding negativity and replacing sarcasm with concern and compasion.

If something doesn’t change in the blog I think I’ll have to stop using it.

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 11:01 am

Seth,

I agree. I’m sorry that we have been unable to show respect for some one that you chose to share with us.

I believe we can still express ourselves while being respectful, so as to build up our friendship, instead of tearing each other down.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 11:38 am

I think we can express ourselves while being respectful also, but will people choose to?

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 11:41 am

Boooooy howdie! That was a Class A act last night! I don’t know why you guys are so sensitive. My laughter kept me up all night!!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

Seth, how did you know the blogs were not authentic last night?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 12:22 pm

This isn’t going to become to PC is it. I hope that amongst close friends we are a bit more understanding.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 12:39 pm

Tuffy, weren’t you ROFL or whatever with me on those blogs?!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

i have to admit, i was COL, (Chuckling out Loud) this morning when i was reading them. I especially like my own rendition, using the smileys and all!

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 12:44 pm

I know! I took note of the same thing! We’ve got a little Mark Hofmann on our hands!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 12:46 pm

yep, the impostor hit you right on! LOL

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 12:47 pm

Yeah, I was impressed. I was cracking up at my workout and diet program with the science to prove “it is so simple!”

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 12:53 pm

It was funny b/c I got on, was shocked at all the blogs so late. I glanced over to see who all was doing the blogging. I was then shocked that you, tuffy, had been up so late blogging and just watching infomercials. I then just started reading from the beginning. Nothing really shocked me until I read my own post! Then I thought, “Oh man, scam bought it and made a fool of himself!” After reading them I thought, “Wait a second, I don’t that is tuffy either!” Then I thought, “I don’t think it is scam EITHER!” I’m like, “That is DEFINITELY seth, though!!”

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 1:00 pm

I think I’m going to print out my program and post it as the gold standard.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

You should, I was reading the same way until i saw my name, then i wonder how many people legitimately posted.

Hey Scam, i updated my page just like yours, funny stuff.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 1:04 pm

So what kind of Driver did you buy Smengler?

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 1:07 pm

I checked out your page tuffy. Interesting, but I’m sure you cried during the Ring (or at least in your bed after the movie). What in the world does “The Stoic” mean?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

I almost did cry after that movie, man was that a far-out movie! It was just eerie

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 1:15 pm

Where did all you cucumbers go?

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 1:47 pm

Well, i gotta tell you, I am really stumped on this one. Do I be honest, tell you how I really feel, or just feed you guys full of the BS you want. I mean really this has gotten pretty silly. Like Jon said I gotta be PC on my own freaking blog. If one of you sissy’s want some rosy blog where everybody tells you great you are regardless of how ignorant your comments might be, than find something else. What you guys don’t think about is how your comments effect me or others. You guys will make some rediculous comment, I will reply with my “honest” opinion softened by sarcasm to reduce the crying, yet you start crying anyways. Then you expect me to come crawling back begging for forgiveness. Where do you guys get off threatening your friendship. Cameron and Seth you guys have withdrawn from our friendship years ago. Yet I would still do anything if you needed it. If you needed me there I would be there, If you needed money I would give it, If some sicko molested your daughter, I might just kill the guy for you. I don’t know that you guys would say the same. This is just classic. You guys need to get out and experience life a little. You are living in a bubble. Everything is one sided and selfish from you. you want to be able to spout out whatever rediculous thoughts or feelings, or fake beliefs you have and me just except them. Yet when I do the same thing, you take it personally, start whining, and ask for an apology. Up till now I have played the silly game. Cameron and Seth, you both moved on and found new friends years ago because you didn’t like us anymore. every once in a while you say you are just busy. Again that is back to being honest. You have friends you hang with. They are people who tell you what you want to here. they are “nice” and “compasionate”. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem that you found new friends. I give you a hard time about it, but I don’t cry and ask for an apology. I don’t need it. I feel good about who I am, and how I treat people. I don’t need you to tell me that every day. After all the BS from the past couple of days, I had a choice last night. I decided to give you guys another shot. I could have said all this last night. It was due to be said then. But instead I tried to lighten the mood. Of course on a regular basis you shouldn’t make post’s in other peoples names. But a one time deal. Come on, that was funny. Just relax for 5 minutes, get off your hollier than thou pedestal, and enjoy it. It was meant to lighten the mood. I knew Michael and Jon would understand and take it for what it was. I knew they would get laughs out of it. And I made cracks at them as much as anybody. And I knew Cameron and Seth would be on the fence with it. And this morning you chose the side to fall on. Thats fine, Alyson called and me and gave me th jist of the comments this morning before I read them. I just started laughing. She asked ” why are you laughing, how does this not bother you or make you angry”. I don’t know the best answer to that. Its just my personality. Maybe its because I expected those responses. But the point is. I didn’t really take it all personal, and start begging for an apology. I use alot of sarcasm on this blog. I use alot of sarcasm at home, and at work. But I know when to use it and when not. Sure every once in a while it goes a little over board, but people who know me understand. Thats why Jon and Michael, don’t cry about it. Thats why my wife doesn’t cry about it. You guys stuck your self in a bubble a few years ago, So you don’t know if I am serious or not. You just look for things to get offended at. All this be nice to Tom stuff is really bothersome also. He is blogging in the first place, because Seth said “Tom these guys are idiots, I need some backup. come blog and help me put them in their place”. And he has been on the offensive sense the beginning. back with the emails even. He has dished it out as much as he has taken it. Instead of lightening your comments with sarcasm, you try to lighten them with some random scripture, or GA quote. so you spew out some garbage, that is just as harsh as anything I say, but throw in a spiritual note, Thinking that will stop the backlash. That will make them feel guilty. I could come up with 10 scriptures for everything I have said. Thats easy. So you guys can take this however you want. If this blog has done anything, it has atleast gotten some of our true feelings and beliefs out. I am sure this will be very hard for some of you to handle. I don’t remember for sure, but I think I have refrained from all sarcasm in this comment. So take it for what it is. So there you go, Enjoy. I will enjoy the responses for sure.

Again, Thanks Michael and Jon for appreciating my blogging last night. I am glad you got as much enjoyment out of it as I did. I wish everyone would have allowed themselves to enjoy it.

Comment by Sweet Moses — June 14, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

OOOOOOOOH MAAAAAANNNN!!!!! I’m glad spence can type as fast as he thinks! What a treat!!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

Sweeeeeeeet Nibbbbbbbbleeeeets! I agree, what a nugget of bottled explosion. I have additonal comments in a bit.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 2:25 pm

Alright tuffy and others, check out my page, as I have now followed scam’s lead too!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

Wow tuffy, looks like you’ve already been there! Freaky!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:48 pm

I made a slight modification to my thoughts on tuffy on my page. I think the correction is more fitting.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 4:01 pm

Is everyone ready for the longest post ever?

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 4:31 pm

First of all, I do appreciate your honesty. I think the best way to respond is by approaching the statements you made. I don’t intend to counter them, just to comment on them. I can only speak for myself and not for seth. If any of the comments were not directed only toward Seth and not me, I still feel I have a right to comment on them. These thoughts are mine alone.

Spencer’s original comments are in quotations:

“What you guys don’t think about is how your comments effect me or others.”

I do think about how my comments affect you. That’s why I try to be as judicial with my responses as possible. I take into consideration how the words would sound being read, without my voice inflection and tone. I try to use words that are clear and unambiguous, so that my meaning is clear. I try to express myself as honestly as I can, taking into consideration everyone that might be affected. If you disagree with this, I would appreciate the insight into examples of when I have not thought about the effects of my words.

“Where do you guys get off threatening your friendship.”

I sometimes feel that I am on the outside of the friendship circle. I try my best, in the best way I can, to be a part of everyone’s lives. Sadly, I do have activities that take me away, not only from you guys, but also my family. That’s life. That’s normal. I am still your friends. My being away from you guys and having other activities should not affect our friendship in such a way as to cause an erosion of the relationship. I have done nothing assertive to damage the relationship. Yet I still feel that I am on the outside. I am okay with that. For some reason, I would rather been on the outside of the friendship, then nowhere at all. You guys mean that much to me.

I don’t feel that I have threatened the friendship. Obviously you feel that I have. Please bring to my attention the things I said that make you feel that way, so that I may explain or allow myself to be corrected.

We are not on the playground. If one of us feels that he has been offended, I think it is fair to bring it to their attention. This is not a threat of friendship. It is maturity. Seth saying he might not use the blog any more, to me is not a threat to end the friendship; he just doesn’t want to use the blog. He explained why.

This is a big topic. I will limit my words to what I have said.

“I would still do anything if you needed it. If you needed me there I would be there, If you needed money I would give it, If some sicko molested your daughter, I might just kill the guy for you. I don’t know that you guys would say the same.”

This is probably the only direct argument I will make. Spencer, in this moment, in this situation, the statement you just made is false. You say you will do anything and then try to prove it by giving a list of things you would do. Could you add, “be sympathetic and understanding” to that list? All Seth needed was some straight up understanding and you guys ripped him and Tom apart. You don’t have to kill anyone, just be understanding.

Most of the time, I do believe you would do anything for me. There have been many times when I have called on you for help and you have been there for me. I cannot say the same for many friends that I have.

Although I wish that I could be as stalwart in the area, I know that I am not. I tend to put my family and my school before you guys. I believe that my priorities are correct. Even still, I know that this is an area in which I can greatly improve. I know that. Yet rarely are you guys understanding of my situation, or rather, you are understanding, but express it through murmuring and teasing me to the contrary.

This leads back to the idea of friendship, so I had better move on. I’ll just say that I know I need to be better in this department.

“every once in a while you say you are just busy.”

I am truly busy. None of you have experienced an ordeal similar to what I have been going through. I know that we have each had trying times and busy times, but nothing so extended and influential as this. I may be wrong. But I think it is unfair to say that I am being untruthful when I say I am busy.

If I am not busy, it would be hard for me to not spend the time with my family because they see me so seldom as it is. I know you scoff and say “well you went to California that one weekend, why can’t he come with us?” That’s a valid question. I was on school business. That’s why. Otherwise I would not have been able to afford the time or the plane ticket.

“You guys need to get out and experience life a little. You are living in a bubble. Everything is one sided and selfish from you. you want to be able to spout out whatever rediculous thoughts or feelings, or fake beliefs you have and me just except them.”

I have experienced life on a great scale. I do not live in a bubble. I am very aware of the people around me and the world around me. I would ask that you tell me why it is that you think I live in a bubble and what I do that indicates that. The same goes for the selfish comment. Although, in a way I am selfish. I think about my family and my schooling and church before most other things. In that way, yes, I am selfish. If you can indicate other ways in which I am selfish, I would appreciate it.

I don’t expect you to accept my beliefs or feelings. I expect you to respect them.

“Cameron and Seth, you both moved on and found new friends years ago because you didn’t like us anymore”

Finding new friends in no way indicates that I do not like you anymore. I give the most recent example. I check this blog every 5 minutes because I have been having the best time “hanging out” with you guys. It feels like forever and this has been the closest I have felt to you in a long time. If I didn’t like you, I wouldn’t spend so much time “talking” with you guys.

Having other friends does not mean that you are not my friends.

I think that’s enough for this round. If you want, I can go on.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

I’m gonna open up this post with the classic talk opener. Webster defines Ridicule as n. incitement of contemptuous laughter; derision. -v.t. make to appear absurd.

Spence, you say that you would do anything for me… but when I’m going through a rough spot and ask for some suport I am met with ridicule. I’m not saying we need to get rid of all sarcasm always (I’m not an extreamist, very little is absolute in my book) just that it is kinda hard to take right now. I came to you for help through a problem and was mocked.

It just comes down to respect. Sure we are close enought to joke around, but when you make a post or say something that I disagree with… I try to have enough respect for you to believe that there is reason behind your belief. I may bring a counter point, and it may be based in my faith… but that’s just because I am trying to live by faith. I’m sorry if this offends you.

As for being a friend to you, well… I’m just sorry if I haven’t been. I guess I didn’t understand the stipulations I was under. Luckily we have allready started packing… we will just move to Utah so we can start living, and by living I mean only hanging out with you and playing x-box every night with tuffy and doms. (Hows that for sarcasm?) Seriously though… I don’t understand what more you want me to do. If I have not been a good friend, I wish you would have let me know, because I would gladly do anything I can to change.

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 4:51 pm

So, I missed cam’s post and just wanted to comment.

Spencer, You obviously have some strong feelings, good and bad, about our friendship. Please, don’t take the responces the wrong way. What I really want to say is that if I have done something to jepardize our friendship, I want to fix it. You guys mean the world to me… I have always felt and continue to feel like you all are my brothers. (I don’t have brother’s so I’m not really sure what it’s like, but that’s beside the point) I have really enjoyed the time we have spent recently blogging together and I hope that we can all do our part to keep it going.

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

Oh, also… last night I just wasn’t in a very good mood. I had been dealing with clerical aspects of the investigation and worrying that I might get in trouble for tampering with evidence and was just generaly grumpy because of it. I actualy was haveing a pretty hearty laugh over all the posts but then talked to tom and he was kinda frustrated by your personal attacks against him. This got me upset and I over reacted. I really didn’t bring Tom arround to take my back. He would be crappy back-up anyway we disagree too much. I just thought you guys would all get along. Anyway, I’m legitamatly sorry about the last post I made last night, making a goofy spoof post from time to time can be pretty funny. (I’m kinda sad I didn’t get to see my empersonation)

the post from Tuffy about the infomercials was very funny. The post that gave everything away for me was “Dom”s. The post from “Tom”… sounded very much like something sarcastic he would have said, I thought it was legit until I talked to him and he was baffled because he hadn’t posted.

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 5:24 pm

I admit as well, the posts last night were funny. its just something about being called a school girl that gets me all worked up.

i also have to say that michael’s spoof was pretty good. i was impressed.

Comment by The Scam — June 14, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

well, fantastic everything is just hunky dory now. I have tons to comment on, but i think the comments were good and spencer’s comments were from the heart, i doubt we’ll get together. The thing is, everyone has time to right an email or blog on this blog, or send a text, that is what friends do. Stipulations are not on a string, friends are friends, and friends know good friends, it’s like cameron said, who will be at your funeral.

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

Michael will be at all of our funerals… you know, because he will out live us all!

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 7:23 pm

Tuffy … “hunky dory”? … I know you and spence are like two penises in a butt-pod, but what’s up with the nicknames?!?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 14, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

Huh? Oh wait… I don’t think I want to know.

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

I will be at michael’s funeral because he OD’d on Saturated Fats and Protein! LOL

Comment by jtuffy — June 14, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

Very funny dom’s and Seth.

Well i guess everybody has spoken their mind now. Hopefully nobody is too pissed off. I am sure everybody was right about some things, and wrong about somethings. All we can hope for at this point is that people do better or try harder. Most importantly is that they do what they really feel and want to do. now, that we have all spoken our piece, we can move on and get back to the light hearted good times on the blog.

Comment by Jimmy Nuetrality — June 14, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

Sounds good to me… when do I get to hear my impression?

Comment by Seth — June 14, 2007 @ 10:34 pm

when your not expecting it.

Comment by Jimmy Hostility — June 14, 2007 @ 11:09 pm