June 26, 2007

June 26, 2007
Tues June 26
Filed under: Uncategorized — jtuffy @ 9:19 am
Well yesterday was intersting, hopefully scam reads my comments about his Tori Paradox, Seth has a job as a roofer and Doms unwittingly let a pedophile go. What will today bring?

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Funny you should mention the tori paradox. i feel exactly the same way - sadly. but i don’t think that it goes just for me, it probably applies just as much to michael or seth.

for those of you on the outside - the tori paradox deals with Saved by the Bell. i don’t want to ruin it for seth. maybe you can read ahead. but anyway, in the last season, tori (the rebel chick in the leather jacket) just shows up and kelli and jessi are no where to be found. then, on the very last episode at graduation, kelli and jessi are back and tori is never mentioned and no one skips a beat. it is never said where kelli and jessi whent or why they are suddenly back. that’s just how it is. chuck(the author) relates this to relationships where you thik the person was around when really they weren’t. he relates a story when he started dating this chick and didn’t hang out with his group of friends ever. when they broke up, he rejoined his friends without skipping a beat, but later, when they would talk about experiences they had, he couldn’t understand why he had no memory of the events. there was just a period in the friendship when he wasn’t around.

jon believes this applies to me. i say it applies to all of us at some point. of course, the most recent example in my mind is the whole SP story and how you guys were all together while i was plugging away at law school. i guess i was kelli or maybe jessi in that instance.

tuffy, am i explaining myself well enough?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 9:53 am

tuffy, did you already read the whole thing?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 10:05 am

Yes you are xplaining very well, see that explains why Seth, Doms and Scam are the way they are, the Tori Paradox. Very funny stuff. Maybe there is a senario out there for spence and i, maybe it’s the wonder years.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 10:55 am

If you and suspence are the minority, then maybe you two are kelli and jessi, off running around. while Sloth, DOMS, and I are the ones that are constant.

hah! i flipped it around on you.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 11:19 am

Nice try, but we all know that isn’t the case, we are the bulwarks here

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 11:37 am

what other articles did you like? i don’t have my copy here to reference, otherwise we could get some good points going.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 11:46 am

I only read the first one about the girlfriend/facination with the “ideal” media image one and the saved by the bell one.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 11:49 am

Okay, I understand the tori paradox, and it’s very interesting and funny; but, I don’t understand how it may apply to me! Fine if it does, I just can’t see it. So enlighten me. This ought to be good.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

This is a post to make my last post show up

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm

HA! It worked!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm

Dude, back in the day you were always off racing or doing something. there was a time from like 9th grade to 11th grade that you “busy”. except for when you were scamming my women. dang it.

at least that’s how i remember it. tuffy, thoughts?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 3:02 pm

i want to hear about sloth and his roofing job. that all happened really fast. i can’t imagine roofing during the summer. the heat, man. at least in Okla. Maybe ID is cooler.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 3:08 pm

That’s a time when I was away, yes, but I certainly knew what I missed. I don’t feel I fit the tori paradox in that case. Of course I certainly know what you guys missed during that time too! If you want to know, just ask Curtis.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

see that’s the thing. its not that we were missing things. or that the person was missed. they were just absent. upon their return they were absorbed back into the group like always. i don’t think the tori paradox is a bad thing. it just happens.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

I don’t think it’s a bad thing either. I just don’t think it applies to me.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

In a few minutes–after I get something done real fast that just came up–I want to give you guys a religious scenario for you to ponder. It’s one that really impacted me and directed me to where I am today. I’m sure I’ve already told you but I want to put it in an analogy that I thought of yesterday b/c I’m not sure you guys fully understood me the first time. Don’t worry, we’re all going to be respectful.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:24 pm

we need a third opinion on this. anyone care to concur?

DOMS, have you bought the book?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 3:26 pm

I don’t have the book. Scam, did you see that Brooke and I are coming in to town this weekend? We should go to the gym together once or twice. Let me show you what testosterone feels like. Let Kressyda experience more than she’s got for once.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

You know I’m joking.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

Testoasteroni! Puleez, your boys are so small from steriods, you probably have to work out like mad just to keep your voice low enough to be normal! LOL. Yes, you guys (mainly scam) accept the Tori Pardox and live by it, i’m just saying that is how you view relationships. But other people see it differently I guess.

I’m still waiting for the religious senario.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 4:15 pm

how do you view the tori paradox, tuffy? what is your view of relationships? if you want, we can apply it to you. (i.e. moving to cali in high school, going to OU for college, never calling me when you came to tulsa to visit the in-laws every weekend. the list goes on and on).

i assume you think it is a bad thing. is that right?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

Yes i think it is bad, and I don’t view relationships like the Tori Paradox, while i think you do, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing, its just have you view them; your perspective. So me being gone at times, i sensed the void, and maybe others viewed it as a tori paradox. In all humbleness and pretension, i bet i called you monkeys lots more than you called me. I’m more likely to pick up the phone and call. And after a while, it starts to wear you down, spence and i have had conversations about it many times, basically were grew weary of the constant lack of reciprocating behaviors. You know, men with huge stones have sensitive feelings too at times. LOL.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

I didn’t fully understand even half of tuffy’s last post. He was all over the place.

The religious thing is coming, but things keep popping up (I should quit looking at those websites). I’ll post it shortly (like tuffy).

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 4:32 pm

My last post was referring to tuffy’s #20 post.

This cracks me up. Tuffy, I still don’t have any examples of me acting tori paradox-like.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

It wasn’t meant for a feeble mind, i know scam will hear the maxims.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

oh sorry, that was hilarious

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 4:37 pm

Tuffy, you’re working too hard. You need a break. You aren’t making any sense to me anymore. What was hilarious? And you’d never win in court with your argument about me living the tori paradox. Just saying I do without any proof whatsoever isn’t very convincing. Come on boy, out with it!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 4:40 pm

you are the worst debater ever because you’re Mr Tanget! LOL. I was talking to Scam, hello mcfly?

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

You are out of your mind. And did you mean “Tangent”? You were speaking to me or yourself on post #25, not scam. But if you’re referring to your hilarious comment, I still don’t know what it is. Are you on a caffeine high or what?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

of course i feel the void when i am gone as well. i have super sensitive feelings and believe me, my stones are just as big. that’s why i feel bad when i know you guys are having a killer time without me.

i know its hard to keep in touch when the distance is great. but when the person does come back to the fold, or makes the effort, i forgive and forget and let them back in, and try to not mention the absence if i know the person feels bad about it. (i.e. just as zach didn’t give kelli crap at graduation for not being around the last 12 episodes).

so i don’t like to talk on the phone. big deal. it doesn’t mean i don’t love you guys. i don’t even talk on the phone to kressyda or my mom. but i’ll sit here all day on this blog. that should count for something. i feel like i’m back in after a long absence. i don’t know if you guys feel the same, but i’m having a great time.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 4:47 pm

DOMS, you’ll have to stop by and see the kid. maybe you can come to church for old time’s sake. how long are you going to be in town?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 4:49 pm

I’ll be there until the 11th. On that day I’m flying to Atlanta, Georgia for a conference, then back to Tulsa, then driving back to CT immediately. So we should have some time. We may go to church with you guys. Brooke will definitely want to see the kid (not that I don’t). What about that free testosterone?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

what’s this religious scenario you’re talking about, DOMS?

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

i’m down for the testosterone. i’m warning you. i haven’t touched a weight since april. and not that i did much touching before then either.

but i am willing to learn. bruce lee here i come.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

Okay, the religious thing, Part I:

Have you guys seen the amazing program, Catch a Predator on MSNBC? It’s about tricking online pedophiles (from chat rooms) that agree to go have sex with a 13 year old boy or girl (depending on the pedophile). It’s classic stuff. They get one to come after another. When they show up, a decoy (18 year old that looks 13) entices them to come in. The decoy then pretends to have to do the laundry real quick and leaves the room to let the pedophile get all nice and cozy. Then Chis Hansen steps in and says, “Did you find the place okay?” or something witty like that. Catches them off guard completely. They keep the cameras hidden. He confronts them as to why they are there and then pulls out the transcript and reads excerpts of the chat that they had written when they try to lie their way out. He’ll then say who he is and then the camera men step in. The guys usually leave at that point b/c they just thought Chris was the decoy’s dad or something. Well, when they think they’re getting away with it, and strolling back to their car, the cops run, tazers ready and arrest them in the front yard. It is a hilarious show! Hopefully you haven’t seen it so I didn’t waist all that time explaining!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 5:10 pm

Oh yeah! I forgot! Bruce Lee is your goal, so no testosterone for you!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 5:11 pm

So………………………………………. Where is the religious senario????????????????? And yes i’ve seen those shows, they’re funny

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

puhleez, have you seen bruce lee. besides, i have to start somewhere. i’ll try your testosterone tactics at least once though. maybe i’ll get hooked.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 5:20 pm

Okay, okay. Religious thing, Part II:

Well, I was thinking. Some of these guys are young, some old, etc. Some are young youth ministers and what not, and some are older pastors. Let’s take a young man for our instance. Say he really has a problem with his urge and attraction to young girls. Say he really gives in and does it rather frequently for many years of his life with different kids. Say, other than this huge problem, he is very normal and good; therefore this is his only major setback. Say he just happens to be very good at never getting caught, but he struggles with knowing it’s wrong and he always wants to stop. Say as he gets older, the urge fades (you know, aging = less testosterone and such). By this time, he gains better control and he only does it every once in a while for a few more years, but it just isn’t as thrilling anymore. Then by some point he gets old enough that he really doesn’t have the vitality or urge to do it anymore. So at this point, his only major problem is gone. He now prays to be forgiven and he will never do it again. He does everything in his power to be forgiven and to be good for the relatively few years he has remaining in his life. If you think about it, in one way he should be forgiven, in another he shouldn’t. But if you just step back and look at the whole concept, it’s messed up. Why should I be rewarded for never having the urge to do what this guy does? Why should he be rewarded for stopping only after he becomes like me (no urge). Do you see that? He’s like me now. I couldn’t control my lacking urge, and he can’t control his now lacking urge. It just doesn’t make sense about reward, punishment, and forgiveness.

This all hit me years ago when I was driving home one day. I had an idea to do something good (can’t remember what exactly, but it was charity-type which required my sacrifice). After getting this idea, I immediately felt good, as if the Spirit was confirming. I felt like this was going to be rewarding in Heaven (I just felt that God would be pleased with me, which does equal reward in Heaven). I was then quickly thrown back. I thought, wait a second. Why should I be rewarded for this? I don’t really have control over this. I’m really not the one responsible for choosing/wanting to do this. I guess I can’t explain it as well as I thought, but the concept is, we all do what we can do. We do what we are shaped to do. Some people are shaped to choose and want what they learn God wants, and some aren’t, but punishment and reward will given accordingly. It just doesn’t make sense to me, but I didn’t explain it very well here, I don’t think.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

Okay sounds good, Scam. Like Kressyda will confirm, once you go T, you can’t go back.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

sweet cherry blossoms, LOL, i’ve also thought about this Doms and the answer is……. I don’t know. I would assume that if the someone does better at brideling their passions rather than waiting for time to heal the wounds that that person would be blessed accordingly.

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 5:48 pm

okay, for the first part of the scenario - forgiveness and controlling your urges are two different things. so the dude doesn’t have the urge anymore/controls the urge, just means he isn’t continuing to sin. doesn’t mean he has repented and received forgiveness.

you not having the urge to begin with means that you are not placed in the situation of needing forgiveness. by you never having the urge and especially by you never acting on the urge means that you are in a completely different situation from the dude that does have the urge and/or acts on it. does that make sense? you have to seperate the idea of controlling the urge and still needing forgiveness. just because he doesn’t do it anymore doesn’t mean he’s back on the same level as you (the guy who never had the urge).

as for your second part - i didn’t understand.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

i’m out. see you slackers manana.

Comment by The Scam — June 26, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

Ok… just been home a bit. And I have to respond to Jon’s post, post #3. Why we are the way we are? How are we Jon, really? If you mean we define ourselves by more than our friendship with you and Spencer, I guess you nailed it… but I somehow don’t think that’s what you were trying to say.

Comment by Seth — June 26, 2007 @ 7:26 pm

Most professionals in our society get paid to be professionals. It’s really too bad tuffy and spence can’t get paid for being professional friends. Us normal folk are just recreational friends, maybe weekend warriors. We don’t have the discipline and skill it takes to be professional. It takes a special kind. Maybe we can find a special friend camp (like basketball camp) where people like tuffy can show us how they became professionals. I’m sure they would only charge a couple thousand for the camp. You guys in?

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 8:00 pm

As tuffy and spence are professional friends, they aren’t very professional about it. They always have to remind us that they are professionals and we aren’t.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

Hey, if that’s the way you want to view it, knock your socks off, but yes, if you want to view it that way, i’d agree, spence and i are professional friends and you guys are weekend warriors. For the feeble minds i was just pointing out the differences in views. So i’ll take the professionalism as a compliment and maybe you’ll take the Tori Paradox as a compliment.

Maybe Doms can open up a weekend warrior camp where they teach you how to feign best friends at weedings, barmitzfas and on happen meetings. And you’ll teach them how to fill the empty void in their lives by assuming to be super busy and totally self-absorbed so as to fill that void. It would be tough to teach people how to not care about other’s people but in today’s pretentious society, it wouldn’t be difficult.

And Seth I really don’t think that about you, I actually think that you were actually always more willing to hang out than any of us, i just threw your name in the pot to lighten the load of the weekend warriors.

Remember this is all in jest and just an observation of teh perspectives of man, if you need interpetation, read Payne’s “Common Sense”

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

So seth, lets hear about the construction

Comment by jtuffy — June 26, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

My gosh, tuffy! Mr. Stoic, huh! Looks like I hit a sensitive spot. Maybe that’s tuffy’s g-spot (I thought tuffy would need a finger for that). This friend stuff is toooooooooooooooooooo funny!

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 9:53 pm

Well I knew I should’ve put a smiley face or a “lol” at the end of my professional friends posts.

Comment by DOMS 287 — June 26, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

Hey Jon, sorry to jump on ya. It has just been kind of frustrating with this whole “not a good friend” thing. I have always tried as best as I know how to be a friend to you all. What you said really means alot to me. Sorry if this is too sensitive or “PC”… but I have really been kind of stressed out about all of this.

So, the construction thing. I liked working on the house so much I decided to take a job with one of the guys in our group doing roofing. It’s killer tough… I am exhausted right now. We have been leaving for the job we are on at 3am, because the roof is so steep (an 11-12… that’s technical mumbo jumbo for really steep) when it gets hot outside and the extra thick tar paper (called water and ice) heats up… you will just slide right of the roof (and it’s about a 30 foot + drop off of this huge log home!) But the money isn’t too bad. Made a $100 bucks on the first day… and as I get faster I should be able to make quite a bit more. It’ll be a nice chunk of change by the time the summer is up. I just keep telling myself this… since I have allways been afraid of heights. lol

Comment by Seth — June 27, 2007 @ 1:59 am