So lets here the reaction from the local Dems out there.... Seth and Carrie....
We need to have some more political discussion. How about 1 topic per week, there should be like 10 or so to choice from, that might jump start the blog again. So what will it be this week? Abortion, gun control, The War, economy, social programs, health care, foreign policy, stem cell research, ......what else, someone pick a topic and lets roll!
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Alrighty, I think it is funny that obama is all about no experience = change and hope, combined with his co-ploy that mccain has been in washington too long, yet he chose biden, the guy whose been in washington a long time... six years longer than mccain!
Hey, before the bashing begins, lets pick a topic, we don't want to scare anyone away before the details come out. But personally, i can't stand either candidate, i can't believe one of these persons will become the president of the US!!!
What the halibut are you talking about. You chose the topic with that pic and initial prompting. What else can I do but respond and get the testicle rolling?
OK, so pick a topic of conversation and lets get the party started!
Okay, how about this whole partial abortion thing. Obama's getting into trouble over voting against it, but claims he supports it and that everyone is lying. But the truth has come out that he not only voted against it twice, but he was the only senator to speak on the floor against it. The bill was to force doctors to attempt to save any babies that survive this abortion technique, which basically induces labor on a premature baby. The baby is expected (and intended) to die during delivery. However, it seems that babies survive at least 25% of these cases and are then just left to die for 45 minutes to an hour (maybe longer, I don't know). What do you think about the procedure (obviously you're all against it, but debate your point aside from morals) and this bill, and maybe throw in your opinion about Obama if you know anything about this.
There is no "partial" abortion, it is just abortion. I still can't fathom that these crazy people still have abortions. It is straight up murder, premediated and callous murder of an innocent victim.
But instead, socialist try to cover the problem with women's rights and that crap instead of fixing the root problem. Which is having unprotected sex or having pre-marital sex. But no one wants to touch those!!!
How stupid does a girl or guy have to be to think that they can't get pregnant from having sex. Are these people idiots! If so, then these people should be aborted out of society!
Every girl in the world should have to sign a contract that says she either wants kids or she doesn't. If she doesn't want kids, then give the girl a free shot of monkey juice or whatever so she can't get pregnant for a year! Simple as that, then let her go around hoing all she wants, she won't get pregnant. How hard is it people?
I think the word abortion is the only thing that stood out to you in my last blog. (That's okay, monkey juice is the only thing that stood out to me in yours.) I wanted you to consider the bill itself and this particular procedure of abortion. All things considered (including current laws and thoughts of meeting in the middle somewhere), what do you think? It's funny that Obama is getting so much slack for not voting for this bill, which I agree, given the circumstance. But, what about the freaking procedure in the first place! They act like obama is such a sinister brute for voting against it and that they are all saints for trying to protect the baby. Ludicrous! What's the difference in killing the baby during delivery or some time thereafter? What does it matter to them? It has the same brain and feeling during as it does after. I guess it's just inhumane to allow it to die for more than a few minutes.
alright, sorry it took me so long to get back in the game. you would not believe the crap that has been going on. although, it certainly doesn't compare to tuffy's run down with the po-po.
i like the video doms. why are you scared to do that stuff at your apartment complex? is it illegal?
as for the abortion, is there a place where i can get the language of the bill? i would hate to make a comment before reading up on it?
sloth, did rachel give you those CDs?
WHOA! SCAM IS ALIVE!!!! I had been checking the obituaries for weeks! LOL, Welcome back!
Yes, welcome back (and I was just about to remove that video).
The bill gets complicated because the first was in one format, and the next was in another, and this is partly where the discrepancy comes from. It'd be a good read for you since obama claims he would have supported the second bill if it was in a certain format, which the critics claim it was in such a format, to the T. Also, I forgot that there was some talk about him voting "present" for something in this regard. Anyway, to answer your question, I'm not sure where you should go for this.
As for the vid, yeah, I'd say it's illegal to go 60-70 mph right there in the apartment complex. That's the speed I usually do, but the faster, the better. In the actual video it was tough since I was going about 40 mph and I was on a slope with blind corners around that garage you see in the vid. Plus I just wasn't on my game that day. The vid was shot on the fly. Tuffy's coming over to shoot some quality footage though.
Okay, great to have you back scam. Give us the lowdown on some of "the crap that's been going on."
Ok, before we dive into partial abortion for a couple of days, let us here what it is? Since you brought it up Doms, lets here your views.
Yea... what's the poop scam? (I did get your cds, but haven't listened to all the songs yet. There are no liner notes! How the heck am I supposed to know who the songs are by? It kind of annoyed me enough, not knowing who was performing, to turn the cd off.)
I laughed so hard that I might have strained something when Jon said monkey juice (was that supposed to be a racial slur against obama? jk) and Doms response was golden. It is really hard for me to wrap my brain around the issue at hand. As I understand the procedure, "partial birth abortion" is inducing premature delivery with the expectation that the newborn will be to underdeveloped to survive. Though there are also procedures where the baby is actualy killed during delivery, though I hope that is not what's being discussed.
If people are using the argument that they don't want to kill the baby so they will just let it die, they are just rationalizing their way into hell. But there are health aspects to consider here as well. For a woman to just have an abortion so late is extremely risky and could even kill her. Now... if she just wants to get rid of the baby, I say she should put it up for adoption. There are consequences for our actions. You sleep around and don't want the baby, you should have to give it to someone who does. But, if a woman's health is at risk in bringing the baby to term, should we require that her health be further jeopardized by having a "traditional" abortion (I HATE associating the words traditional and abortion!)
I know that the church allows abbortion in the cases of rape, insest and preserving the womans health, if the womans health is endangered late in her pregnancy is she just up a creek because this procedure is unavailable?
I think the real issue here is the way people respond to the word abortion. It really didn't seem like Jon read Michaels post at all. He just saw "abortion", everything went red and his fingers flew into a frenzy. People to often just jump to conclusions without really examining the issue and how it compares to their beliefs. And Cam brings up a good point as well... the wording on these things often makes a huge differance. It really seems like politicians often fight to word things in a way that will dissuade an opponent from voting in an expected way just to provide a use for the term "flip flopper". Or maybe I'm just being synical... who knows.
Wowzers... that's a big post. Hope it makes sense. By the time I finished it I didn't really remember what I said at the beggining! But I don't feel to bad because I don't think Doms ever knows what he's talking about! BLAM... lol
The issue has nothing to do with wording or how people associate to the word "abortion". That is the exact problem with this country and the world, people get caught up with words and how to view all the different angles. Just another example of stuffy prententious ideas, socialism and too many lawyers!
My point was that it doesn't matter how or when the baby is killed,aborted,trashed,whatever you want to call it. It is still wrong, period.
update: Jen and I just had a pretty good discussion about this, she was all up in arms saying that partial birth abortion was worse than "regular" abortion! It was good, but i disagree.
update #2, one more tidbit before I hit the hay. Of course I take the churches stance on abortion, that in certain cases the decision has to be made (previously) mentioned by seth.
Seth - race log update. The DC race is less than two weeks away, i've been slacking off and haven't done any trail running (i'll probably die) but i did run about 5 miles tonight. I have to run quite a bit over the next 10 days to get ready.
Wrong period? What about when it's right? Are you in disagreement with the church that it is okay under curtain circumstances? I'm not trying to be inflamitory... just curious.
Also... I think abortion outside those circumstances wether partial birth or not is intolerable. But partial birth abortion just seems more callous and cruel.
What I was trying to say is that Michaels topic wasn't really about abortion... it was about politics. My comment about wording was also about politics. The way things are said changes what they mean... and in nothing is this used against other people more, than in politics. I'm not trying to say that abortion is "ok"... just saying that this is a great example of the political game in action. Obama says he supportes the abortion, but he voted against it because of the written bill. All america gets told on the new is, "obama votes against abortion" when in actuality he could have been voting against abortion and government subsidies for profesional clows defaulting on their mortgages, because of the actual written bill that no one will ever see.
Woops... you totaly pre-empted my question. I really hope it didn't come accross as snippy, just curious.
I'm stoked to hear about your race. You better hit the trails at least a little bit before you get out there. We bought our treadmill this weekend (just waiting for it to be delivered!) So, I'm excited to start training for some trail running next summer. We gotta pick a good race to run together next year and see if we can convince the rest of the crew to get ready also! (Scam, Carrie, Doms... and even the Boss, consider this the guantlet being thrown down!) Be sure to keep me updated on the training and race.
I hate to give seth any credit after his blatant dis on me, but man his statement about jon and his finger-frenzy was funny!
Of course partial birth abortion is worse than earlier abortion, crazy horse! The baby is highly developed by that point. Remember seth, the main case and testimony obama listened to before voting against this bill was about a woman that chose this procedure because her baby was going to have down syndrome. A nurse heard that the baby survived the procedure and was left to die in a small room. She couldn't bare the thought, so she went to the baby and held and rocked it for 45 minutes until it died.
So what about cases like this? Where the fetus is identified to be developing down syndrome. Is this abortion okay then? Could it even be the right thing to do?
Brooke and I were given the option to plan to later have the ultrasound test that determines the likelihood of our baby having this syndrome. This gives parents the option to have this procedure in this case.
It looks like everyone is blogging and I have more to read.
About obama and his claims about the written bill, it is said that the bill has been brought forth and is written precisely as he says it wasn't. Plus, he claims he supported the bill, but we found out that he was far from that in reality! In light of this it is hard to give him credit for maybe being more noble than the news is giving him credit. They are blasting him so badly that they feel he has four options: 1) Admit he lied, 2) Claim he didn't understand the bill when he voted against it (basically saying he's incompetent, so that's not happening), 3) Claim he voted NO when he meant to vote YES (again, incompetence), or 3) Claim a scam has taken place and order an investigation. None of this is happening. He is just saying everyone is lying. (no offense scam)
Partial abortion is worse in the sense of the act and the cruelty of it, However, it doesn't discount the fact that the end result is the same; death. So in that way, partial abortion and regular abortion are the same.
I know my thoughts on the down syndrome kids, but i would like to hear from others first, especially Doms, since you are having a kid shortly. What would you do if you found out you were having a kid with down syndrome or only had 1 arm? (I remember saying that you would rather die than lose a limb : ))
Well, I'll say this: Brooke and I decided to not have the test for down syndrome. Our thoughts were that it didn't matter if the test came back with high likelihood of this condition, we still wouldn't abort. We just couldn't do that, especially when you consider that it's not a guarantee the kid will have the condition, just probable. Plus, kids with down syndrome may have a handicap, but they can be happy.
Again, if the kid was going to be born with a limb missing, I still wouldn't abort. If a psychic told me that my nine year old was going to have an accident and lose an arm (assume for the sake of argument that this is possible and everyone knows the psychic is right), I wouldn't go kill my kid to prevent them from having this accident. You just can't prevent things like this. It's unreasonable to even think this is an option for this.
(And yes, I would still kill myself if I lost a limb)
Now your turn tuffy. What are your thoughts? I'd say you can wait for everyone else, but that could be weeks.
Very impressive doms, i agree with you 110% which is unusual. LOL, except for the part about you killing yourself for losing an arm!
For a long time I could somewhat sympathize with parents who knew that there would be something seriously wrong with their child. If you believe in natural selection you would know that these kids would not have lived without the aid of modern medicine. I do believe the gene pool is being watered down, but i have to admit that it is supposed to be that way. We do everthing we can to make it possible for the kids and leave the rest to the man upstairs.
I think it would be so hard to have to deal with a child that has problems, but that is just an example of selfiness on my part. But i would never think about abortion even if i knew before hand.....now if i had two kids in a row with problems, i definitely would not be having a third!!
Man! I'm going to copy everything I write before I post it from now on! I usually do, but this time I just took a chance. Guess I shouldn't go to Vegas because an error occurred and I lost everything I wrote. Unbelievable! I'll have to get back and try to rewrite it later.
what the heck we were having some good coversations!
Got a couple spots open on a fantasy league, anyone want to join? Seth Doms????
Ok.............so how about them Phillies, lost a heart breaker tonight after a big win yesterday. But who cares, only 1 game out of 162!
Doms....did you disappear too? I know that school started but you can't have homework yet?
Sorry... works killin me. I came home last night spent some time with the family, and then fell asleep before I got a chance to check the blog.
So much for controversy... I think the active (or in my case semi active) participants in this thread are pretty solid on their personal stance on abortion. As for Obama's stance... no offense dom's but the whole "it is said" comment cracked me up. I need some more facts on this specific instance before I can judge. All I do know for sure is that the womens rights activists and pro choice groups are upset with him because he was softer on the issue than Hillary. Is that really a bad thing? When you are going for the nomination, maybe... but in the general, not so much.
Jon, I'm totaly interested in another fantasy football league. I'm just concerned that I might not be able to make a draft if it's during the day. Let me know!
What happened? Did the east coast get nuked?
So, what are the McCain fans thoughts on Palin? To me it seems kinda desperate and more thematic than an choice based on performance. I mean, she seems capable... but it seems like they were more interested in picking up Hilary supporters who aren't into Obama.
Anyway, you guys got any big plans for the weekend?
I certainly have some things to say, but it seems seth's right about mccain, sadly. I'm sure the only people that believe mccain's vp pick was solely based on qualifications and "one that will be ready to be president," are women and guys that should lose their right to vote. As much as you'd like to believe he made a good choice for the right reasons, it's just too apparent that he didn't. You know you made a bad pick when there's not a single person in the nation that can stand up wholeheartedly for your decision; when it causes EVERYONE to have questions and doubt. The only good thing about it is that it truly will cause some of the women out there (like Rachel Maddow on MSNBC - a die-hard lesbo wanting to be a man at all cost) to hold there tongue a little when they'd normally say the most ridiculous things about mccain. Anyway, stupid decision. Lost a lot of respect from so many people, I'm sure, and made obama look smarter (not saying Biden is a smart choice, but picking Biden looks like obama truly chose who he thought was best).
Well, Biden compensates for Obama's lack of experiance in foreign affairs. He was chosen based on what he can offer during term, as well as what he can offer during the campaign. While it seems that Pallin was chosen based only on what she can offer during the campaign.
So, what are you guys up to over the holiday?
Ok, first off, i'm not thrilled about the Palin pick for VP. but to say she doesn't have any experience is just crazy. She hsa been a mayor and a governor. That is executive experience, not some phonny 1 term senate experience. I don't care if a slug with pom poms is in the office as long as they have values and agree with issues. The issues are the points at stake.
For the weekend, played a little b-ball this morning then i've been demoing the upstairs bath, removing the linoleum and getting ready to lay down some tile. Good times.
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